The Era of Sarah with Sarah Rachel Lazarus

Wish We Could Be Savage (W/ Love Bailey & Terry Lovette )

• Slaz Productions / Love Bailey & Terry Lovette • Season 1 • Episode 18

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This week, we dish about my 6th grade boobs, Judith Light,  Lorde's secret onion rings instagram account much more.  We are joined by the fabulous Love Bailey & Terry Lovette. Love is a queer artist, designer, performer and cultural visionary worked with many icons including Fiona Apple, Rihanna, Azealia Banks and Britney Spears. She is the owner of Savage Ranch—a retreat for queer activists and artists to explore the boundaries of their identities. Terry is a vocalist and transmedia artist. She welcomes trandisciplinary collaboration in her creative lab, NTRFACE, and extends career opportunities to underesourced BIPOC creators.

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Sarah Lazarus:

Hello, Hello everyone. Welcome to Wish U Were Weird.

Vinny:

The show where we talk about everything you've always wanted to know more about,

Sarah Lazarus:

including but not limited to drag

Vinny:

dating,

Sarah Lazarus:

politics

Vinny:

substituting parmesan for eczema

Sarah Lazarus:

Do the Property Brothers sleep with each other?

Vinny:

how to cope with learning that your Catholic mother listens to your whorish podcast

Sarah Lazarus:

being disappointed that you weren't cast in the lifetime original Wendy Williams film

Vinny:

cuddling with a bag of sticks and imagining it's that coked out twink you met in 2017

Sarah Lazarus:

missing your sixth grade boobs.

Vinny:

I'm Sarah's sixth grade boobs, Vinnie.

Sarah Lazarus:

And I'm the girl who wept and said I love you to both Patti LuPone and Bradley Cooper. I can honestly see you being my sixth grade boobs you have that sort of debonair about you

Vinny:

because I'm fresh, flat, And everyone likes to look at me.

Sarah Lazarus:

Exactly, exactly. Honestly, boobs are such a inconvenience in so many ways. I didn't ask for this. I didn't want this life. And I was given it and I have to live with that every day especially when I have to bend down to pick anything up from the floor.

Vinny:

As a man who has a drawer full of boobs under my bed I can confirm that they're extremely burdensome

Sarah Lazarus:

And you choose to have the burden. Although I love drag loads that are just like androgynous, like flat kind of look like with the, like the, what is this called? A boob patches? What are those called again?

Vinny:

Oh like the.. I don't even know, the little pastie boobs? Yeah

Sarah Lazarus:

Yeah, I like like that's that's cute to me.

Vinny:

I also love when like this skinniest flattest twink puts on the biggest breastplate you can find

Sarah Lazarus:

Well that was like the one from the Canada drag race

Vinny:

Jimbo !

Sarah Lazarus:

And I feel like pearl, too, also does that

Vinny:

Pearl, I feel like, does she even wear tits ever?

Sarah Lazarus:

She has, like, she does like these characters.

Vinny:

She definitely wears... Oh, in snatch game, yes

Sarah Lazarus:

But she does that! She does that character, I feel like a lot on like online and stuff and she does characters like that a lot.

Vinny:

Yes, I know. I love her like weird inflatable Stepford wife kind of character. Justice for Pearl. She was done dirty on that show. And I love how they gave her like a redemption story and she like was consistent throughout the whole Yeah, they gave her a redemption story and she like didn't want it. Like, "Will you send me home already?"

Sarah Lazarus:

There's something on my face.

Vinny:

I have tea about this season of UK Drag Race that's premiering right now.

Sarah Lazarus:

I haven't seen it yet. So don't don't spoil anything.

Vinny:

I'm not going to spoil anything, but I am, because it's something that no one knows about yet, because it hasn't even aired. Apparently one of the queens when she was asked to lipsync thought it was unfair and cursed out RuPaul and left the stage and did not lipsync like apparently that's going to happen at some point in this season.

Sarah Lazarus:

Oh my god. We were all rooting for you.

Vinny:

Literally, I'm so excited to see it every time I watch drag race UK, I'm trying to pick out who it's going to be. It's definitely going to be Ginny lemon.

Sarah Lazarus:

I'm sorry. I will not lip sync to that song is too much.

Vinny:

We were rooting for you!

Sarah Lazarus:

You bloody mental, we were all rooting for you.

Vinny:

I like that RuPaul is British

Sarah Lazarus:

Michelle Visage is like an Anglophile, right? Doesn't she like love British people?

Vinny:

I don't know.

Sarah Lazarus:

Isn't that what Anglophile is? Am I wrong?

Vinny:

I honestly don't know what an anglophile is. I love reading on Michelle Visage's Wikipedia page that she was popular in the New York ball scene because I just I picture like the New York ball scene and Michelle Visage is there for some reason.

Sarah Lazarus:

Like that would be me honestly that would like if I were like a generation back

Vinny:

You would have been like ousted by your family for having your boobs too big. And then you would have gone somewhere where that is celebrated.

Sarah Lazarus:

I relate to Michelle Visage's tit journey in so many ways.

Vinny:

Oh, that's true. I guess you do although yours are

Sarah Lazarus:

au natural

Vinny:

on that bona fide real.

Sarah Lazarus:

I would love a reduction though, I would one day.

Vinny:

I mean I think your boobs are, you know, I think your boobs are incredible. I also think you would look beautiful with the reduction.

Sarah Lazarus:

As far as Yelp reviews go. They're high but as far as my own personal struggle goes.

Vinny:

Four point eight stars. Everyone has given your boobs a five star review except your spine. Today we are doing two truths and a lie pop icon facts. Sarah, you may begin.

Sarah Lazarus:

I picked three facts that are Lady Gaga. And

here we go:

Her stage name comes from Queen's song Radio Gaga. Lady Gaga looks for creativity in men and women. Lady Gaga does not like dogs. She prefers kittens

Vinny:

i think but Lady Gaga loves dogs

Sarah Lazarus:

you're correct

Vinny:

yes!

Sarah Lazarus:

I was like ...she looks for creativity both men and women? Is this like a like music article way of saying she's bisexual like

Vinny:

I believe so.

Sarah Lazarus:

it's just funny to me how it was phrased

Vinny:

I love that, I love that she's like, "man, woman, non-binary, I don't care, if you have an office job, Fuck off."

Sarah Lazarus:

Although all of her all the fiancees she's had have been like businessmen. They literally

Vinny:

Maybe she's not looking for creativity in men and women. Maybe she's just looking for a fat cock.

Sarah Lazarus:

They all look the same. They all have like gray highlights. They're all like attractive, but all of her fiance's always the same. Go on with your facts.

Vinny: Okay, fact number one:

Lorde has a secret Instagram account where she reviews onion rings. Fact number two: Naomi Campbell didn't actually write a book. And fact number three: Tyra Banks has never tasted mayonnaise.

Sarah Lazarus:

I don't think Naomi Campbell wrote a book.

Vinny:

True she didn't. She did not write a book.

Sarah Lazarus:

So Lorde has a secret Instagram about her onion, about onion rings.

Vinny:

Yeah.

Sarah Lazarus:

Do you know it? Or do you like... are you serious?

Vinny:

I follow it. Oh, you know what's really funny is that her current Instagram like became inactive and then her onion ring account became active again. So she was like, Fuck the limelight. I'm going back to my Guy Fieri fantasy

Sarah Lazarus:

That's freaking insane. But I love it. Honestly, I love that I would sooner follow that account.

Vinny:

Tyra Banks has tasted mayonnaise.

Sarah Lazarus:

I totally believe that.

Vinny:

This week, like every week, me and Sarah have chosen an organization that we think is really cool and we decided to donate to. This week we decided to donate to the Innocence Project. The Innocence Project exonerates the wrongly convicted through DNA testing and reforms the criminal justice system to prevent future injustice. As we all know, the justice system in America is broken. There are two justice systems happening: one for white people, and one for people of color. There are literally 1000s of people in jail on marijuana charges while business elites are allowed to create marijuana businesses that are exploitative with absolutely no consequences at all. So you know, donating to things that help people who've been wrongfully convicted get exonerated is super important and is a huge part of the work that we're trying to do. And you can find them at innocenceproject.org. So I went to the beauty prints I gave them

Sarah Lazarus:

Oh my God, I just saw a sneak peek. Okay, wait go back

Vinny:

I went to the Beauty Print, one of our favorite places for all of your wig and styling needs. And I give them like this long luscious brown wig and I was like I want a glamorous, big, Joe Dirt mullet and bitch, they delivered. It's like it's like mullet that's down to my ass and it's so fucking cool.

Sarah Lazarus:

I was gonna say Elvira meets Joe Dirt. Like you can't, no one can see this right now but it looks awesome.

Vinny:

Literally Elvira meets Joe Dirt. Yeah, it was done by Chris. You can find him on Instagram at Chris is Kunt. With a K. Kunt is with a k, not Chris.

Sarah Lazarus:

And you can find me at Sarah is cunt, not on Instagram, just in real life. We are joined by two fabulous guests. Our first guest is a queer artist, designer, performer, and cultural visionary with heavy ties to the worlds of fashion and music.

Vinny:

She's the owner of Savage Ranch, a retreat for queer activists and artists to explore the boundaries of their identities.

Sarah Lazarus:

She has worked with many icons including Fiona Apple, Rihanna, Azealia Banks and Britney Spears and many more.

Vinny:

Our other guests is a vocalist and transmedia artist.

Sarah Lazarus:

She welcomes transdisciplinary collaboration in her creative lab. She welcomes transdisciplinary collaboration in her creative lab interface, and extends career opportunities to under-resourced BIPOC creators

Vinny:

In 2018. She landed her voice to Di Moda for their third totally virtual exhibition as the disembodied guide to the museum.

Sarah Lazarus:

Please welcome love Bailey and Terry Lovette! How are you? We talked about this before, but surviving in LA, correct?

Love Bailey:

Yeah, we're doing the best we can with

Terry Lovette:

Yeah, you know, there's a lot of things that we've been talking about, you know, for instance, today we were just talking about how much of our "who we are" is tied to the communities that were a part of, and being so disjointed and so disconnected from them for so long, like kind of leaves you feeling like, you know, you're unfulfilled to a certain extent, you know, like, it's not like you don't know who you are without the presence of these people in your life, but...

Love Bailey:

Part of you is missing, you know, it's hard to find your balance when, you know, so much of what we do is creating with others and collaborating and connecting and sharing space with the ones we love. And, you know, this whole pandemic has been really difficult for us all. This whole pandemic has, like made this fear. Like everyone, I feel like the vaccine or the you know, COVID...

Terry Lovette:

Getting treatment for it is,

Love Bailey:

It is like how aids was, you know, how aids became the thing and like, right, okay, you didn't want to touch a gay? Couldn't touch the gays. It like feels like that now, and it feels like everyone's paranoid. And do we give each other hugs? Do we fist bump, like, it's just so weird. I'm a hugger, I just want to like, connect, and you know, it's different. It's a different world. Yeah.

Terry Lovette:

And also just like I like performing for, for a computer screen is not the same as seeing faces and feeling the energy shift and hearing your reactions to notes or movements and knowing that you can give more of that. And, you know, like, when you're home alone, and all you hear is your own voice, it's just you don't give the same sort of performance, it's harder to kind of tap in and drop into that space. So I mean, we're both looking forward to people kind of sitting home for long enough that this shit could clear up and we can get back to life. Back to reality.

Sarah Lazarus:

Absolutely. Honestly, like, I would accept. Yes.

Love Bailey:

*singing*

Sarah Lazarus:

I love this. I love this energy Are you guys writing music together?

Terry Lovette:

Well, yes, yes, we are.

Love Bailey:

I don't know what you're talking about darling.

Terry Lovette:

We're very happy to be here working on music and meth positive messaging for the world. And you know, it's great just to be able to work with her at this capacity, because most of the time we've done shows, you know, she curated a cabaret series at Ludlow House. And anytime she was in New York, I was there. And you know, it's just great to finally be able to sit on the same fucking track, it's just gonna be amazing. And the stuff that we create very easily is like... we're so excited to share.

Love Bailey:

A lot of what we're creating, we have the Pleasure Dome in mind. So, here at the Savage Ranch, you know, we create a safe space for queer marginalized artists who need to come create and, you know, get away from the city. So the next step, we just had a big fundraiser, and we raised about$10,000, which isn't much to build a building,

Sarah Lazarus:

yass

Love Bailey:

It's a big deal during COVID times, which is great. And so we've been getting the permits for this building. And we're going to build a 50 by 50 steel pleasure dome with like the marquee in the front, and the atrium in the back, so you can see the horizon when the sun sets, it's going to be incredible. So up until now, we've been throwing raves in tents, so it'd be nice to have an actual dome that is our residency. So, when people come, they can plug in and create whatever they want. So when we're making music together, we have this dome in mind. So we're like, okay, like when things open, and everyone's vaccinated, and we can all be together again, I want to play this. This will be the moment when we're singing and vibing together and we're lifting each others spirits up like this is, this is the moment we're creating for. So it's nice to have a place in time,

Terry Lovette:

Just performing for people around the world again and across the nation. So the tour is going to be great. And we're really excited to come to New York. That's my hometown. You know, I was born and raised in Harlem, and I have never been away from New York as long as this since I was born. You know, like I have, this is the longest. It's been over a year. And I'm just ready to be held by my city. And I guess whatever it is now.

Vinny:

I mean, how are you enjoying your stay at the savage ranch?

Terry Lovette:

The Savage Ranch is great. It's like a second home at this point. You know, like anytime I come to LA, I'm coming to the savage ranch at some point. And this is my third residency. My first time coming was actually at the top of last year, and we worked on the V magazine spread, we shot content for Playboy magazine. We planned the Garden of She-den rave with the incredible group Supernature out of Amsterdam. And the second time I came, we worked on a docu-series,

Love Bailey:

You know, which we can't talk about

Terry Lovette:

we can't talk about but we're shooting, we're hoping that...

Love Bailey:

There's something in the future

Terry Lovette:

There's something in the future.

Love Bailey:

There's something cooking for the future.

Terry Lovette:

And then we got here and now we're working on music, and we're finishing up things that we started in January when we first started working on the album. And so this is like a culmination, it's a polishing off, and Love has been finding like authentic voice and it sounds so good. I can't wait for you all to hear it and, yeah!

Love Bailey:

Because I just had tracheal surgery. So along with my transition, I had my fFFSwhich is facial feminization, and that goes along with shaving your Adam's apple. And a lot of trans girls don't know this, but it could alter your voice, and so right now I have to have a follow up visit for them to put a video down my throat. It's a whole thing. It's like

Sarah Lazarus:

yeah

Love Bailey:

You're invading my space with a camera.

Terry Lovette:

But in the meantime, I think this is the first time...

Love Bailey:

While I'm we're recording, it helps to have Miss Lovette here because she's a goddess angel from above singing to the heavens, and she helps me...

Terry Lovette:

Tap in! To be able to identify, you know, where she should be pushing, pushing behind, and she's already got a lot of that in her but like just being able to hear it get polished off, it's such a quick study. We're gonna have fun performing, it's anthemic stuff, you know? We'regiving it up like Gods, like superheroes. You know?

Love Bailey:

I come from the visual background. So like wallet. Terry's helping me with my voice. I'm helping her with her visuals. And that's sort of like the beauty of the ranch is it's a melting pot of like, you know, you share this trade and I share this trade and we learn from each other

Terry Lovette:

Exchange. It's like old world bartering and it works. It works here, so yeah! So that's uh, I'm enjoying the ranch. You know, this was fun. I just had some Chana Masala for dinner

Love Bailey:

Chana masala!

Terry Lovette:

We're eating good. We're living good, breathing good, and we're happy to be here with you.

Sarah Lazarus:

So wait, I have a question. So for those who don't know what the Savage Ranch is, can you talk about it? How it started? And what what happens when you go to the Savage Ranch? And how do you go to the Savage Ranch,

Love Bailey:

The savage Ranch is the queerest Ranch in the world. We live in a republican town of Temecula. There's a lot of Trump supporters in this area. But what we're building here is a radical safe space of love and acceptance for artists who are marginalized, outcast, don't have the resources or the space to build whatever it is they dream of. So we offer that space. And it started with my mother who was a lesbian tractor driving contractor mother, Butch Mother,

Terry Lovette:

Mama Savage

Love Bailey:

Mama Savage. She does it all. And she takes care of this family. And she started it as an animal rescue. So we have horses, pigs, chickens, dogs, and they're all rescues. And...

Terry Lovette:

And she plays guitar. She's a bad ass.

Love Bailey:

Yeah, she was a rock and roll star back in the day.

Terry Lovette:

It started with Mama, I remember you telling me it started with Mama, she basically said, "You know what, I'm giving you the space, fuck it up." And that's what she's doing.

Love Bailey:

And what I've learned that, you know, I started I was a dancer. And then I moved into the world of styling. When I, you know, dress, Naomi Campbell, Lady Gaga, Rihanna, you know, made custom pieces for these people. And I really had this satisfaction of creating for these muses, these icons. And at a certain point I was living in New York City, I was crossdressing and playing with my gender and going to the club as a young queer. And my mentor said, you know, "Are you going to be happy playing with your gender, when you turn 50 and testosterone has taken a toll on your body, you're going to be happy with the person when you look in the mirror?" And so that was my call to action. And I started my transition to be the woman I want to become. And it all started on the ranch when I felt like I finally had a sanctuary, a grounding, a foundation, to really find out who it is I am inside and who I want to be. And I feel like if that's something that I can give to the queer community as a resource, you know, I would have loved to have that foundation when I was growing up, you know, I didn't really have those superheroes to look up to, that safe space, you know, to plant your feet into. And as a young queer, you need solid ground. So that's what I'm doing. It's my mission. That's my calling is to offer that for others.

Terry Lovette:

And you said you asked the question, how does one come to the Savage Ranch?

Sarah Lazarus:

Yes

Terry Lovette:

I know that, like love is always looking, you know, she's looking at people on Instagram and she's seeing what people are working on and she's super inspired by like innovators and she usually kind of cherry picks, or people submit

Love Bailey:

The best way to get ahold of me is DM me on Instagram, @LoveIsBailey or@savageranch. There's an email on our website, Savageranch.us, that you can get through to me. Just let me know why you want to come, what it is that you want to create here, and what you want to leave behind. Because, ultimately, you know what we create is something for the land to grow as well, because if we keep depleting Mother Nature's resources, then there's going to be nothing left. So the idea is that Mother Nature needs something to. So, if it's in sculpture, what you want to leave behind, maybe it's a space you want to paint, maybe it's some food you want to cook, something that like blesses this land. Yeah, we're not... we're not super official right now during COVID. I need to update the website and get forms where people can fill out all the different things, but just bug me and show me how much you would appreciate this blessing and really pull on the heartstrings. You know?

Sarah Lazarus:

That's amazing. Yeah, I wish... I feel like a lot of residencies like in New York are very formal, and there's a lot of like, weird, competitive... and like, it's very superficial. It doesn't sound as nice as yours does

Terry Lovette:

It's usually run by squares that are investors, that don't really have any ties to the communities that they're supporting, and don't really have respect for them, and you feel that as soon as you enter the space. And it's different here, you know, like, Love is an artist, she's kind of like playing in all of these mediums as she has an ability to understand needs. It's just a much better experience, you're way out of the way, no distractions, you have to drop in. You have to discover yourself, you have to transform, you have to work. It's like a retreat. It's like a retreat into yourself.

Sarah Lazarus:

Lovely. Well, we ask all our guests, we want to

know:

Where were you both born? And how did you both become who you are today? Which you kind of talked about but more in depth.

Love Bailey:

Back in the day, I was raised in Oceanside, California, by my showgirl grandmother and the colonel of the Air Force, my grandfather, and Betty Bailey, she was a showgirl she toured all over to perform for the troops, for my grandfather. And that is sort of where I got a sense of showbiz and showtime and making your life a stage. My grandmother really bestowed that glamour and that opulence and that 40s glamour back on to me. So when I started growing up, I wanted to be a dancer. I was like Mama, Betty, take me to tap class. Come on. I want to do that. I want to do that. I'm gonna do that. I want to do that.

Terry Lovette:

I wanna be a star!

Love Bailey:

Yeah,

Terry Lovette:

And the color red. Right? You said that Grandma Betty...

Love Bailey:

Yeah, well, Betty was a redhead. So she was a fiery redhead. Always had her nails red her lips red, you know, it was very... the scarlett staple of choice. And from there, I just I grew into being a professional dancer. And at some point... I always wanted to create the entire show. It wasn't just dance, then I had to become a stylist, I had to dip into fashion, I had to learn that world, and and that's where I learned makeup and hair and styling, and head to toe, how to really curate your look. And then from living in New York and you know, being a full time stylist at some point as a young queer, you don't really get the chance to blossom like you would because there's always someone telling you "Oh, you're just a bitch with the rack. Just show up with the clothes, sell these garments, look bitch, like, who do you think you are, showing up all fabulous over here? just get the job done." And it's very New York like, square, kinda dry, and it drains on your soul

Terry Lovette:

And on your art, like, you're working working hard for the money, and then you have no energy to put into your work some of the time

Love Bailey:

Right, because you're doing some of these things for free like editorials. And you're doing stuff to build your book and just show off your work. But, if that person doesn't reciprocate that and they acknowledge all that work you're putting in and sometimes you're working with a diva who doesn't appreciate what you're bringing to the table and then it really drains on your soul. So I was like, you know what, I need to come home, I need to find myself, and I need to create for myself and become the woman I want to become, so, now that I've done that homework, I'm able to tap into others and help bring others to life as well. So you know, I'm here I am now. What's up?

Sarah Lazarus:

Yass

Terry Lovette:

Ah, and a vision. I am you know, I am a native New Yorker. As I said earlier, I grew up in Harlem. My father was like a vocal staple, helping to define like the sound of New York through the 80s and 90s, in a group called "Guy" and they pioneered his group pioneered a sound called "new jack swing." So the film New Jack City and all of the Keith Sweat, and all the Heavy D and all of the, you know, Doug E. Fresh and SWV, all of that stuff came from producers that I grew up alongside. And for me, what became really exciting is seeing people in the cockpit of like a ship, a spaceship. That's what these grand record studios lookeed like, recording studios looked like. And, I was I just became obsessed with the vision of being in control at that, at that level. My grandmother was also very much in control. She had a huge influence on me as far as like being an entrepreneur and opening doors and creating doors. And all of that has taken shape and me in the form of me being a performance artist that works with creative technologies closely. And I love to organize. You know, I'm here. I'm Terry Lovette. I am Woman or World. I am the Jazzy Ha, I am a vocalist, I am an organizer. I am a fixture. I ain't going nowhere, okay?

Love Bailey:

*singing*

Terry Lovette:

Yeah, that's one of the songs my Dad sang. Now that we've found love.

Love Bailey:

Now that we've found love, what are we gonna

Vinny:

I'm loving every time you guys break out into song. do? very musical break is going to make it into the podcast like

Terry Lovette:

We do that even we're not on screen, by the way.

Vinny:

It is so fun.

Love Bailey:

We'll give you another one, are you ready?

Vinny:

Yes!

Love Bailey:

Slather up, slather down, all the way around. When the sun comes up, make the world go around.

Terry Lovette:

That's the anthem. That's one of the savage anthems. If you're on the ranch and you hear that it's time to wake up, it's time to get together. It's time to put heads together, so

Vinny:

So, I heard... I heard the word slather in those lyrics. And something I wanted to ask you about, Love, is Slather Studios!

Love Bailey:

Yeah, so when I was transitioning, there was like a bumpy time in my history when you know, I was a homeless queer. And luckily, I had my friend Elias Tahan, amazing photographer, took me under his wing and let me sleep in a studio, which was a showerless garage. It was literally one of those places with the roll up garage door, and a seamless, and two strobe lights, like bare minimum. That's where I was sleeping. And we were making these fantasy videos and these art videos and we always use these provocative words. I'm a provocateur, I use a lot of words like penetration and sodomized and things that make you uncomfortable if you're repressed and sexually frustrated. I can imagine, right? Like, if your name is Karen, like, you're not gonna like it, you're not gonna like the travesty that I'm serving.

Terry Lovette:

This is not the place for you.

Love Bailey:

That's not the place. So I've been using these words, right? Moist, slather. This was like part of our dialogue. And at some point, we're like, but what does it mean? Like what does it mean? And then I had to work construction with my mother because at that point, I was like, okay, girl, I need to make some coins. I need to figure this out. So I had to like roll up my sleeves and put a flannel on and help my mother with construction. And she does HVAC, so there's a silver pipes that you have to seal the pipe. So there's no air that spills out, and you use it that's a gray matter. It's like clay, and you paint it on. It's called pookie, and I was like painting on this pookie, and Mama turns to me and says, "Don't be afraid to slathered on thick!" I was like, Oh my god, I'm not gonna ever...

Terry Lovette:

She was struck.

Love Bailey:

The heavens opened up, Oprah was there, screaming to me I mean, it was...

Terry Lovette:

Oprah said this is the way you make a coin.

Love Bailey:

Yeah, she was...

Terry Lovette:

Slather it up

Love Bailey:

She was trying to tell me something you know, and I feel like at some point we have to learn to take the universe seriously when she's... the universe is calling she's knocking on your door. You better be ready for that opportunity. You better be ready for that mission, that message, what lesson you're trying to learn, like you just got to be ready for that moment. If I was ignorant, I had my head up my ass, I'd be like "okay, Mom, whatever"

Sarah Lazarus:

Love. You have worked with our favorites, the Cock Destroyers. We have to know what was it like" You have a like a fashion line with them, right? And yeah, you work with them?

Love Bailey:

I met Sophia, Rebecca and Amsterdam. There's this queer festival called milkshake festival, and it's a beautiful festival, it's like the biggest queer festival in the world really. And the first day they put on the festival they do it for handicapped children or handicapped artists that are uncomfortable being around big crowds and so they offer a smaller Music Festival for the kids which I love and it's like a zero waste type of festival, it's not like these like Coachellas that are like destroying the earth and you know it was a really beautiful moment. But here, Rebecca and Sophie are on the stage with Jodie harsh DJing, and I see them like you know doing the booty, doing the, you know, the the WAP fantasy, giving the WAP fantasy, and I just had to join in! So I just got in the middle of them and I had a cock-destroyer-sandwich and we were slathering it up on the dance floor and next thing you know, we were making out!

Sarah Lazarus:

oh my gosh

Love Bailey:

and here we are

Terry Lovette:

literally yesterday, was it yesterday? when they they put the...

Love Bailey:

Oh yeah, she did on logo TV, she did a 6o second stand for me, it was so sweet. And those girls are just so genuine, like I've never met someone it's so iconic. So genuine, so heartfelt. Having someone like that in our culture makes sex work normalized. And that's something that like, you know, sex workers are shunned and they're pushed to the fringe of society. But in today's society when the government has failed us and we can't support ourselves, how else are we going to support ourselves but to do what we know best? And that's to use our bodies, to use our vessels, to make a living. And as long as we're not hurting anyone, as long as it we're not, you know, it's not like a nasty degrading thing. Just be self-empowered and make your money girl.

Terry Lovette:

Yeah, I mean, because everybody's a hoe For something, everybody's hoping for some coin somewhere be it the executives or the housewives or us just trying to get a coin like everybody's willing to do something, and I don't feel like being a hoe is a thing anymore, or being a sex worker is a thing, or being a freak is a thing ,or twerking your ass is a thing, or being a stripper is a thing. It's not a thing anymore.

Love Bailey:

And what we're seeing is I think these Bible thumpers are mixing sex trafficking in with sex workers. And that's two totally different things, y'all. Like sex workers that are at their home with their cameras putting on their fresh new lingerie, like feeling their oats, like you are self empowered to do that. You're not doing that because you're down on your ass and you're doubting you're bummed out about life. No girl, you're doing it because like you feel good about yourself and you want to show it off with the world. And you know, some Joe Blow at home...

Terry Lovette:

it's valuable to somebody

Love Bailey:

...needs needs that because how else are they going to get off? I think that's more safe than you know, having someone go out and

Terry Lovette:

Lord knows what...

Love Bailey:

Yeah, Lord knows what, you know, deviant things are gonna happen, you know, but I think the more you shame and repress it, the more devious and all the violence happens, you know, with that's why transwomen are being killed. It's like, there's not enough tranny porn out there. There's not enough trans women in the media saying it's okay!

Terry Lovette:

Real trans women, not just men dressed up in drag, you know, like trans omen that represent, this is what, like, beauty, beauty, you know, beauty, it's just beauty.

Love Bailey:

And even beyond that, we don't have enough men who are dating trans women in media and showing that they're not gay, you're not gay, because you're dating a trans woman, you know, you're just attracted to an exotic form of woman and femininity, we got to normalize it at some point. Otherwise, you know,

Terry Lovette:

I just feel like we're all too invested in what we're doing in bed. And I just feel like that's some old colonial shit. like...

Love Bailey:

patriarchal, Bible thumping...

Terry Lovette:

For you to be right next door to somebody saying, Oh, my God, another guy, I heard them having gay sex, like, and then you call the police, and then you tell them and then you tell everybody, like that's some old like old way back colonialist shit.

Love Bailey:

a witch hunt, the witch hunt has got to stop,

Terry Lovette:

Stop caring so much like hyper-sexualizing young kids. Saying, "oh, they're going to be gay," and then being so scared because all you're thinking about, like a freak, is them having sex with somebody else, as opposed to seeing them as an entire person and entire being on a journey. Like let's support that

Love Bailey:

And that's why I... it's funny, I take a piss out of sex. So like, in a lot of my music, I'm saying like, you know, you can sodomized me to the cows come home, take my body, maybe build yourself pipelines to snuff out the fire in my eyes. But I'm a woman now. And that's just something I'm not willing to compromise. And I'm not saying like go fuck to the, to the cows come home. I mean, if you want to, cool, but that's not my message. My message is like, you know, do that. Take my body whatever you want. But like, I know who I am. And you'll never you'll never...

Terry Lovette:

You know can queer be a a synonym for creative director.?You know? Like, can there be more opportunities for everyone oppressed and pushed into these little square boxes and genres and spaces in the world? Can we be more than what we've been

Love Bailey:

but it's someone like me and Terry, like, we have to do the utmost. We have to be excellent fucking superheroes, larger than life people, to even be considered for a job to even put food on our table. Sometimes I'd be on these sets and I'm like, mmm girl, are you sure about this?

Terry Lovette:

How about this?

Love Bailey:

Yeah.

Sarah Lazarus:

Do you have any tea to spill? About sets?

Love Bailey:

Um, yes, some tea to spill. So Ms. Azealia Banks, love her, live for her music. I styled her 1991 album cover and I helped with that whole mermaid ball and whatnot. So, you saw Azalea in a red wig? Who do you think did that? So you know as part of that moment, and here I am thinking like, "okay, we're gonna lift her up and Brooke Candy was happening the same time so we were dressing Brooke Candy, and...

Terry Lovette:

working with Seth, right?

Love Bailey:

working with Seth! So we had this like queer community we're all thriving I thought like, Oh, yeah, let's like you know, hook her up, but she is a very negative person and she went on a podcast like years later, I didn't even know about this, but someone's like,"Hey, you should listen to Azealia Banks' podcast..."

Terry Lovette:

"she's talking about you"

Love Bailey:

She spent an hour of her time. I feel bad for the girl that she has an hour of her time to waste to talk about me. I'm nobody right now, like you know what I mean? I'm somebody in my heart, but like, in the media like I'm not at her level, as exposure-wise...

Terry Lovette:

to be talked about for an hour

Love Bailey:

To be talked about for an hour. Come on, girl. Go m ke music, you're fucking a brill ant mind. Like go sin

Terry Lovette:

That's the thing. It's like me and Love to talk about this all the time, because Azealia's pen is insane. A lot of these rap girls that have like come behind her

Love Bailey:

Can't do what she does.

Terry Lovette:

Can't do what she does. They don't have the same vocal versatility, the vocal range, but at the same breath, you just have to reflect that there is a negative energy keeping her from people...

Love Bailey:

it's not just the negativity she just wants to fight, and the poor thing like, on this rant, she's talking about me, that I'm a meth head, that she walked into my house and it smelled like meth like, girl. I do not touch that shit. My mother went to prison. You know, for mass producing methamphetamines. We want to talk about meth. It ruined my life. I did not have a childhood with my mother because of that shit. I do not touch that shit. Because I don't want any near me. I don't play around with that shit. So I just think it's fun. It's humorous now, looking back at it.

Terry Lovette:

She barely even drinks, which is hilarious.

Love Bailey:

Like I'm usually always in control, you know what I mean? But I just think it's funny that like, someone would have to spend that much time to, you know,

Terry Lovette:

that's how you know you're somebody, babe

Love Bailey:

I guess. I guess I'm doing something right, right"

Sarah Lazarus:

All press is good press. And she's like, she's canceled kind of, right? So, karma's a bitch. You know?

Terry Lovette:

they saw some like anti-mask videos

Love Bailey:

I don't believe in cancel culture. I know I know that we say this thing is cancel culture but I really believe in second chances. I believe that everyone has a second and a third chance in them to learn

Terry Lovette:

a chance at redemption

Love Bailey:

Redemption to learn and grow and I really think this cancer culture thing is toxic. Like someone like Diet Prada can like ruin your career for life. And then what? You know, it's like then we're saying to that person that they don't even have a chance to grow. You are that person, we've labeled you, we put that scarlet letter on you

Terry Lovette:

Because no one wants to think critically

Love Bailey:

You can never rise above

Sarah Lazarus:

Yes, we're gonna move on to some games.

Terry Lovette:

Uh oh, What kind of games? What are we talking about? So our first game is going to be a Madlib. okay

Vinny:

You guys down?

Love Bailey:

what's a mad lib?

Vinny:

so mad-lib is like, I'm gonna ask you guys for a bunch of words like adjectives and nouns and or body parts and stuff like that. And it's going to, like fill the space of... it's going to create like a parody of like a song that already exists, like we removed some of the words from something that exists and we're going to replace the words with your words

Love Bailey:

but we're not going to tell you until it's filled out

Terry Lovette:

let's do it. We're ready. Let's do it!

Vinny:

For the start, I need an adjective from each of you,

Terry Lovette:

mythic

Love Bailey:

witchy

Vinny:

Next I need a body part.

Terry Lovette:

Hmm, a tit

Vinny:

I need a sexual organ from each of you

Terry Lovette:

hmm I think I already use mine, Let me see...

Love Bailey:

my vortex

Terry Lovette:

Yeah, let's go with that. I'm gonna say yes and yes to that. Kind of count as two

Vinny:

got it. So just vortex twice. Love it. Can I get a verb in the past tense?

Love Bailey:

she slathered

Terry Lovette:

slathered

Vinny:

Slathered! Now a body part?

Terry Lovette:

a body part? Let's go for the arms,

Vinny:

arms and then two more body parts and then we're done.

Love Bailey:

My areola

Terry Lovette:

lips.

Vinny:

Lips

Terry Lovette:

make sure you put the S, U, H. lip-suh!

Vinny:

Yeah, okay, so the big reveal. This is a Madlib to the Cock Destroyers. Their big famous video, the one that everyone knows and has seen the one that is iconic. So without

Love Bailey:

Hi guys. Look at these mythic witchy tips. Yeah, you know what we are?

Love Bailey & Terry Lovette:

We're fucking vortex destroyers, aren't we, babe?

Love Bailey:

We love to just get your vortex fucking slathered. The arm fucking your vortex fucking de-slathered, then fucking arms, you know what? Just rub these fucking areolas in our lips. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking Slather destroyers!

Sarah Lazarus:

Academy Award

Vinny:

That was the best madlib we've ever done. Oh my god. So our next game that we're gonna play, maybe you've heard of it. It's called marry fuck kill. So we're gonna give you three options and you're gonna have to pick one to marry one to fuck and one to kill

Love Bailey:

one to kill?

Vinny:

Yeah, we've got one the monopoly man's bussy. Two: Barefoot Contessa standing in a vat of mashed potatoes.

Terry Lovette:

Oh shit

Vinny:

and three, socialism.

Terry Lovette:

Okay, I'm killing socialism. Like I'm killing that bitch.

Love Bailey:

Can I fuck in potatoes? does that count?

Vinny:

Oh, yes.

Sarah Lazarus:

Yes, absolutely.

Love Bailey:

I want to fuck in potatoes and feel what that feels like. I don't know if it's with her but I just want to be in the potato field.

Sarah Lazarus:

It's the whole concept.

Terry Lovette:

I'm might marry Barefoot Contessa. She can cook for me and she sounds like she gets...

Sarah Lazarus:

those margaritas

Terry Lovette:

Margaritas! You know those late nights! I don;t have to worry about food, I might marry Contessa. And then I think I would fuck the monopoly man. Because maybe I can get a bag

Love Bailey:

Right, right

Terry Lovette:

I can peg, I can peg the monopoly man

Sarah Lazarus:

The monopoly man is a sugar daddy for sure. This

next one:

Gigi Hadid's dry ass pasta recipe.

Love Bailey & Terry Lovette:

Oh my god

Sarah Lazarus:

taking... taking a shit on the monopoly man's monocle, and asking a genie for a wish but you get stuck with who's the boss's Judith Light for an eternity.

Terry Lovette:

Okay, let me google Judith Light But wait, no but...

Sarah Lazarus:

yes! So wait, you were in transparent?

Love Bailey:

Yeah! I love Judith? Yeah.

Sarah Lazarus:

Oh my gosh.

Love Bailey:

She's a legend.

Sarah Lazarus:

Did you work with her?

Love Bailey:

Yeah.

Terry Lovette:

Oh yeah. Oh my gosh. I didn't know that was her name. But yeah, she's ovah.

Love Bailey:

I would marry her. I'm like, I would make her my mommy.

Sarah Lazarus:

I mean, yes, absolutely.

Terry Lovette:

Okay, so you're marrying Judith, right? I might marry Judith. Are we talking... no. The first one was who?

Sarah Lazarus:

We're fucking... who we fucking, and who we killing?

Terry Lovette:

Oh, I'm killing. I'm killing Gigi Hadid's... that doesn't need to exist. It shouldn't be a thing.

Love Bailey:

Like no dry carbs. No. Slather!

Terry Lovette:

No, I mean have you never heard of Pinterest. Like get the recipe together, girl. There's all these really great recipes.

Love Bailey:

Are we fucking the shitty monocle? How do you fuck a shitty monocle? The monopoly guy's monocle, that are taking a shit. I don't understand that.

Terry Lovette:

Wait, what was that one? Can you say it again?

Love Bailey:

That makes no sense.

Sarah Lazarus:

They're conceptual.

Love Bailey:

I appreciate tthe concept.

Sarah Lazarus:

The concept of taking a shit on the monopoly man's monocle.

Terry Lovette:

Oh, I would love that. I think I would marry that. I think I would marry I think if I had spent a lifetime doing that I could do

Love Bailey:

I couldn't

Terry Lovette:

I probably could, I have a regular I have a regular bowel now, because we're eating well, so I could probably do that at least once a day.

Sarah Lazarus:

Good choice.

Terry Lovette:

That's a shitty situation, you're right.

Sarah Lazarus:

Wait, I have, I just have to know what was Judith Light like? Because I love Judith Light and I want to know

Love Bailey:

Dominant fierce ass woman and knows what she wants professional, sweet, you know, but gets the job done.

Sarah Lazarus:

I always think about her transparent performance when she sings the Alanis Morissette song on a cruise ship.

Love Bailey:

I was in a musical and then another season when they went to Germany. It was a flashback scene from Germany.

Sarah Lazarus:

Oh my gosh, I love that show. That was... it was so great. It's like such a shame that you know it kind of like went down with the Jeffrey Tambor train and I wish they like just kept it going without him.

Love Bailey:

Like it was so unreal. Like I've been in some shitty Hollywood sets where everyone's like condescending and rude and whatnot. It felt like a family, like when you walk on set. We started production where everyone held hands in a circle. Everyone said their name. It was just a family, a camaraderie of creators. So that was... that was magical.

Sarah Lazarus:

That's amazing. I miss that show, it was so good. I wish it was

Terry Lovette:

So wait. I'm gonna watch. I'm probably we're probably gonna watch this tonight. Now what episodes were your favorite?

Sarah Lazarus:

Well, I literally love that episode with Judith light and the cruise ship and also trace Lysette, there's an episode with her and the brother character when they... they drive across the country and they're like in a... like an abandoned amusement park.

Love Bailey:

It's a trans cast, but also trans crew. So Zachary Drucker, she's trans. She's one of the producers. You know, Jill is now Joey, she's transitioned or he's transitioned. And it's

Terry Lovette:

That's what inclusion really is, when you're pulling someone for a partnership or a campaign

Love Bailey:

or you're capitalizing

Terry Lovette:

Right! You're giving them leadership roles, you're putting them on production teams so that they can help to mold and shape the story .Same thing with black, with black work, you know, like I hate seeing shows where they don't have any black writers but it's the black stories of black narratives

Love Bailey:

That's scary

Sarah Lazarus:

That's why I like wish they kept the show going without Jeffrey Tambor like they could have so easily done that like I feel like he was honestly the least interesting character

Love Bailey:

you know, that's the musical

Sarah Lazarus:

right

Love Bailey:

Now, did you see the musical?

Sarah Lazarus:

Yes, I did, was fabulous. I loved it, but I wanted more.

Love Bailey:

I know

Sarah Lazarus:

So good. Big fan.

Vinny:

Okay, round three. We've got one making a dick cast in a Yankee Candle. Two looking in the mirror on acid. And three: a flu shot, but you're horny.

Terry Lovette:

But I'm horny. Okay.

Love Bailey:

That can be a horny situation depending on who the

Terry Lovette:

I don't know, yeah, I guess it just depends on doctor is. who the doctor is and what's in the flu shot

Love Bailey:

If Amanda Lepore and Yasmine Petty are serving the flu shot, I'm gonna be fucking, like, we'll be fucking

Terry Lovette:

Okay, so the first one again? the first two because I'm lost.

Vinny:

Making a dick cast in a Yankee Candle,

Terry Lovette:

Right? Okay, yeah, I'm kind of interested in that. I like wax. I like the warmth I like the malleability. I like I like peeling things when they're dry and stuff and so maybe I could I could marry that. And then we have the second one being?

Vinny:

Looking in the mirror on acid.

Terry Lovette:

Right, that was the second one. That could be scary. Yeah, it depends on it depends on my glam. Maybe it could be exciting. Maybe I'll be even more fab, you know, cuz sometimes it's scary, but sometimes it's not. So, I don't know this is a tough one.

Love Bailey:

If we replace flu shot with estrogen shot, then I couldn't marry that situation.

Terry Lovette:

Okay. Yes.

Love Bailey:

So I'll marry the estrogen shot with Yasmine Petty and Amanda Lepore, I'll have sex with the Yankee Doodle candy, I'll skip the acid, like you know, I've been there done that so, next! You know?

Terry Lovette:

I might marry the Yankee Doodle. I might. I like the digital moment that's experimental. That's cute. I think I might do I think I do the same aside from... aside from that last one

Love Bailey:

Let's add Rebecca Moore and Sophie into that room so it's like we're all shooting each other with estrogen, we could, you know, that could be a lifelong situation.

Sarah Lazarus:

Okay, last marry fuck kill. Being high at a McDonald's drive thru, poppers that make you depressed for 10 seconds, and punching Betty White?

Love Bailey & Terry Lovette:

Oh, no. I can't punch Betty White.

Terry Lovette:

She's a sweetie. No, I probably just want to have tea in hear all her stories. Yeah, I don't know if that's a marry thing.

Love Bailey:

I wanna hug her

Terry Lovette:

Yeah, I don't know if that's a marry thing. I wouldn't fuck her. So there's that

Love Bailey:

But I could deal with depression for five seconds. So like fuck the depression.

Terry Lovette:

How?

Love Bailey:

Yeah, you know?*screams*

Terry Lovette:

That could be*goblin noises* Yeah, maybe that'll be Yeah, maybe I'd fuck, I'd fuck depression too. Maybe I'd fuck being high. Maybe I'd fuck the high at the McDonalds. Maybe...

Love Bailey:

High at McDonald's What was th

Sarah Lazarus:

Yeah,

Love Bailey:

I could ...

Terry Lovette:

I think I can fuck that. I mean, if I'm in a McDonalds drive thru and I'm not getting McDonald's.

Sarah Lazarus:

No, you are, you are. You have to order

Terry Lovette:

I'd get french fries and I'd be just fine

Love Bailey:

French fries and the McFlurry, I could do that.

Terry Lovette:

I mean, we're both we're both pescatarian so

Sarah Lazarus:

The fish sandwich is good there though.

Terry Lovette:

That is...

Love Bailey:

I don't want to have mercury infested fish girl... that's mystery fish, we don't know what that is

Sarah Lazarus:

I'm from Florida. You get your gator in your backyard, you fry it up.

Love Bailey:

But that's a fresh gator!

Sarah Lazarus:

Not in these lakes. There's chemicals. Those are... those are toxic Gators.

Love Bailey & Terry Lovette:

Oh no!

Sarah Lazarus:

We have one last game and it's called "Would you Rather" and it's if to pick what you would rather!

Vinny:

Would you rather get motor voted by Rudy Giuliani or skydive into a volcano full of cum

Terry Lovette:

motorboated by like... okay, this is this...

Love Bailey:

I would rather get motorboated by Rudy Giuliani on camera so that I could exploit that

Terry Lovette:

that's a good one

Love Bailey:

I want to Borat that situation. I wanna cause some trouble

Terry Lovette:

Cause a little countroversy

Love Bailey:

Yeah, we can do cum in the volcano in the comfort of the Savage Ranch any day.

Sarah Lazarus:

Yes!

Terry Lovette:

but yes. motorboating but by Giuliani on camera camera to doxx him and exploit him. Yeah, maybe... maybe that'll be fruitful. Maybe that'll be nice. Maybe that's like findom domination.

Sarah Lazarus:

Absolutely

Love Bailey:

Suck this tranny cock, yeah!

Sarah Lazarus:

Okay. Our last one: to sponsor RuPaul's fracking ranch or to begin fracking at the Savage Ranch.

Love Bailey:

Sponsor her? Like, what does that mean, I'm gonna pay for it? You're the investor, miss thing. Listen, I think there's a way that if I were to frack on the savage ranch that if I'm in control of the mineral and the oil and I do something really good with it to the universe... so, I'm sucking it out. I'm forced to suck it out because, mind you, I would not frack on the savage Ranch. But, it's so pointless, like i'm not i'm going to frack for water. I'm going to drill and get some water out of the earth but I'm not going to be taking some oil, but if I had to, I would figure out a way to turn that karma around. So, we love you, Ru, but I'm not going to sponsor your fracking

Terry Lovette:

It's RuPaul's drag race for me

Love Bailey:

I'm here with Gottmik and Simone.

Sarah Lazarus:

Yes

Vinny:

Oh my god. Yes. And Kandy Muse! From Bushwick! Right down the street.

Sarah Lazarus:

I think Symone is my favorite so far, I'm definitely like team Symone for sure. Love her

Terry Lovette:

you know funny enough we don't watch RuPaul's drag race here

Love Bailey:

I just know the girls I just...

Terry Lovette:

we just know the girls from Instagram

Love Bailey:

And from the scene

Terry Lovette:

yeah also from... there's some girls from the scene that were just like...

Love Bailey:

Gottmik has been to the ranch!

Sarah Lazarus:

Oh wow!

Love Bailey:

The House of Avalon has been to the ranch all but Gigi and Symone, but, yeah, Marco and Grant and Gottmik, yeah. Caleb, now, was Mikayla when I met them, and you know they were so beautiful back then. They're beautiful now, like I'm so proud of them.

Sarah Lazarus:

Yeah, we'd love Gottmik. We love, we want to say we're obsessed with RuPaul's drag race. We talk about it all the time. We love RuPaul's Drag Race. Well, thank you both for joining us. This has been a time and a half. We leave all of our guests with a quote and it's not relevant to anything but we just like to say it so Vinny, if you want to take it away?

Vinny:

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